Doing nothing at work (www.seangoedecke.com)
187 points by Sukram21 3 days ago | 42 comments

• hintymad 38 minutes ago

> Second, preventing or mitigating an incident early (even by just knowing the right feature flag to turn off) can save huge amounts of money: both immediate lost revenue during the incident and future lost revenue from customers who would have pulled their business or refused to sign pending contracts.

Not to be sarcastic but just to offer an observation: in a sufficiently large or bureaucratic organization, preventing an incident from happening can rarely get you any credit or visibility. Such achievement falls into the bucket of "what you're supposed to do". So, those who navigate company dynamics well would rather let the incident happen and then be loud on the follow-up action items. The trick is not to turn an incident into a diaster, so it's a dedicate act.

• nitwit005 14 minutes ago

The examples of high impact all seem like things unlikely to receive recognition.

If you save a sales deal, they'll cheer the sales staff. And pay them a commission, which you will receive no part of.

• skmurphy 2 minutes ago

[delayed]

• tormeh 20 minutes ago

I learned this early in a conservative org. Preventing things is risky. Just keep the solution ready for when things go wrong because then you'll get approval.

• garrickvanburen 9 minutes ago

The metaphor that changed my perspective came from the book, "The Power of Full Engagement", paraphrasing "you're behaving as if you're a world-class endurance athlete without an off season - stop it."

• hilariously an hour ago

If you want to collapse just run a system at 100% for baseline, there's no slack, there's no capacity to meet new demands, you're just running a permanent failure mode if there's any perturbation in the system.

• xnx an hour ago

Efficiency is the enemy of resiliency.

• dilyevsky an hour ago

Tom DeMarco had a whole book about this approach: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/39276/slack-by-tom-...

• garrickvanburen 9 minutes ago

fantastic book.

• o_nate 3 days ago

There's a lot of wisdom in this. In addition to reserving some capacity for when true high-value work comes along, I think software engineering is not the type of job that you can do well if you're constantly busy. Trying to write some code as quickly as possible seldom yields the best design. This article doesn't get into another important aspect of this, which is how to get away with working at 80% capacity without getting in trouble with your manager. This takes a bit of care around communication and estimation of work. One of the first good pieces of advice that I got from older seasoned developers when I started my first real programming job has stayed with me to this day: take your estimate of how long it will take to do something and double it before communicating to your manager/users. As you get more experienced that ratio can come down to maybe 1.5x instead of 2x, but the principle still applies.

• martin-uk- 2 days ago

Kent Beck (maybe in Good News Factory but also in talks) that his team would never commit to more than half what they think they can get done. This is a good way to sustainability. And that's the optimization and precedent to set; that we are here for the long term, delivering steadily at a sustainable pace. It's a long game, and over promising only runs down trust, which is your biggest means too getting the space we need as Devs. Under promise, build trust that we can do what we say, earn the space we need to not burn out. Honestly the more senior I get (Lead), boundary setting and preserving my attention; not burning out, _is_ the job. Because there are myriad ways to do this to yourself.

• hilariously an hour ago

Yep, if you want to run a sustainable business you don't look to fire on all cylinders all the time, but that's the rub, almost no owners are looking to run a sustainable business anymore.

Most people either want hypergrowth idiocy or to be bought by the people doing hypergrowth idiocy.

Setting consistent expectations means you can plan, you can actually reasonably budget, you can have predictability in your business dealings - if you are trying to run a good business these are all real features instead of "puts out more code that might or might not make us money, but at least we were pulling all nighters and adding perceived meaning to our lives!"

• codewarrior2000 2 days ago

It's a good practice to run at 80% utilization and it helps if you are not being managed by people with an overseer mentality, who demand 100% from you all day, everyday. They are the ones who misinterpret the look of software engineers working in relaxed silent repose as lazy idleness. That's why remote work is the best thing to allow me to keep some utilization in reserve and to keep my sanity.

Doing a little bit of "glue work" can make you indispensable and also a hero to your team if it makes everyone's work life a whole lot better and no one else knows how to do it.

• martin-uk- 2 days ago

I'd argue 80% is high. This also varies between Devs. The way I learn, think about things, struggle to get started etc, means my 80% is no way near say, another colleagues' level who's simply stronger technically. Factor in any degree of NT tendency, and one person's 80 is anothers' 120.

• NoSalt an hour ago

I've been "Doing nothing" at work for a couple of weeks now, and it's freaking me out. Yes, I have asked for tasking, but the guy in charge is ... I just don't know.

• M95D 38 minutes ago

Could you fix some bugs? Please?

• rokhayakebe 29 minutes ago

This goes beyond work. A self made friend told me "if you are always working when will you have time to make money?" We all need free mental space to think.

• tjadfsaj 3 days ago

Thank you for this. I'm new to SWE. How to know when it is time to leave an organization versus sticking it out?

• thewileyone 2 days ago

If you're still learning or giving opportunities to learn new things, stick it out. If you're stagnating and not allowed to learn new things, it's time to leave.

For the first 10 years or so, this is relevant. After that you can figure out what you really want to do.

• hilariously an hour ago

Yes, the old rule is you are either earning or learning, if you are not doing either you should be out.

Early career pick learning and exposure to different technologies, processes, and company organizations.

That being said, this job market is pretty bad for the youngins so unless you are top 1% of noobs I would say focusing on stability and learning would be my north stars in the next 3 years.

• lgcmo 3 days ago

So many factors are envolved in this that it is hard to begin the answer. I would spend some time discovering the main points and answer them.

One that is very important: Do you have another opportunity to accept? There is nothing better to get a job than being employed.

If you do have a offer, consider if you take; but if you don't, try to get one while you are employed and jump ship when it's a better one; repeat.

• jazz9k 3 days ago

This is written as if you have actual control over the volume of work given to you and/or deadlines.

• patmcc 7 minutes ago

You sort of do; stop doing work above a certain volume, stop meeting deadlines. This will have consequences, which may include a) firing or b) better volume and deadlines, depending on a number of factors.

• QuantumNoodle 3 days ago

I've worked roles where our priorities shift with the wind. Many times it is for good reason, like a strategic customer to get a foothold in a market. Other times it is just because management hyped up some effort. All's this to say, nod saying you will do it then just go about your day doing focusing on the actual priorities. Don't let workload mount up bc deadlines are all made up.

• tonyedgecombe 3 days ago

It's surprising how often people dig their own grave.

• whattheheckheck 3 days ago

You can say no thats too much work load, we're understaffed or its too tight of a timeliness for the results.

But understand the ecosystem. People make promises that arent entirely dependent on them to be able to deliver

• tonyedgecombe 3 days ago

If your boss promises something that will take 150% of you capacity for the week does it make any difference whether you put in 80% or 100%?

• whattheheckheck 2 days ago

Business will take everything you give. Theyre bean counters will be always calculating when it costs more to hire and onboard a new dev than to let you take your time....

• qazxcvbnmlp 3 days ago

Your communication with stakeholders about your work ends up having more of an impact than your rate of work output.

• SpicyLemonZest 3 days ago

Most software engineers in my experience have quite a lot of control, and a large component of growing in your career is learning to perceive the control that you have.

One common misconception the article touches on, for example, is that Jira tickets represent latent task assignments, such that you should always be working on some specific Jira ticket and immediately pick up a new one when you finish or are awaiting review on the last one. That's not how the most successful engineers work, and often it's not even really what management wants.

• gorjusborg 3 days ago

> Most software engineers in my experience have quite a lot of control, and a large component of growing in your career is learning to perceive the control that you have.

I've found that most of that autonomy comes with trust, and that trust gets unlocked via good relationships, and good relationships get unlocked by a history of good communication.

You are 100% correct that every person has agency, the trick is to get yourself into a social dynamic where it is acceptable to assert it.

• hilariously an hour ago

This was voted down because? I would say after you exceed jr level programming this has been true for the last 20 years of my career.

• projektfu 3 days ago

Picking up Jira tickets could be a good way to accomplish the other goals. Suppose the ticket has a request from a user you don't chat with, it's a good time to go chat with them. Maybe you don't understand a part of the code base. Looking into a Jira ticket related to that part gives you a reason to read through it. If there's lots of tickets related to a subsystem, you might have a conversation with the product owner about what direction they're taking it. What you might not want to do is accept responsibility for the ticket until it's time to actually hammer it out.

• holografix 3 days ago

Don’t you? You can always say no verbally or with non-delivery. Are you working under a continuous and immediate threat of dismissal?

• harimau777 3 days ago

> Are you working under a continuous and immediate threat of dismissal?

Definitely! It's been that way everywhere I've ever worked. Unless you are churning out code at maximum speed then it's only a matter of time before you get fired.

• Schiendelman 3 days ago

You may not like hearing this - setting boundaries is a skill, and a difficult one to learn. It's also one of the most valuable skills for you, especially you personally, to learn, based on this comment.

• galleywest200 3 days ago

When customers that pay you a lot of money demand resolution to issues from your higher ups, you sort of have to. Especially true if their product is not working.

• zamadatix 3 days ago

It has to be a really really small place for "you're the only person we can say yes with" to be a fair note on a request. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people stuck with such jobs at bigger places, but it doesn't make it any more reasonable an excuse and pretty much still boils down to constant fear of being dismissed if you say no in the end.

• thewileyone 2 days ago

I've argued the same for 30+ years. Having some slack is healthy so that teams can be simultaneously proactive and reactive to issues. Even the best athletes do not train or compete 24/7.

• erelong 3 days ago

It sounds like you could have a little "buffer time" where you "do nothing" to prevent burnout when you need that free time for something that pops up and to take adequate breaks to pace yourself cognitively speaking

Otherwise I don't see why you couldn't do lower value tasks with flexibility to abandon them if something higher value comes up

• throwaway67678 3 days ago

Also applies to research. Keep leeway to open yourself up for collaborations and you might score lots of easy wins even as you struggle with your 'main' project (it also makes you a more well-rounded, sociable scientist)

• SpecStudioHN 3 days ago

doing LOTS of nothing can also be a huge power move. i was in software development, technical writing contracting in Silicon Valley back in the 80s. i stepped away to do something completely different for 40 years. curiosity in AI brought me back. the background acquired from my exploration of an apparently unrelated field enabled me to develop some very advanced software concepts relevant to the problems with AI, and implement them in working code.