• randomImmigrant 3 hours ago

An octopus is what results when water gains consciousness.

• Crunchified 2 hours ago

I think of jellies more that way than octopuses, but consciousness in primitive creatures is a debatable topic.

• mr_toad 2 hours ago

I don’t think there’s a hard line. Nematodes will react to being touched, that implies a primitive level of self-awareness. Most animals possess some form of proprioceptive sense, against, a form of self awareness. Higher self-awareness is just about being able to predict and plan your own actions a few more moves ahead.

• abound an hour ago

Not that I necessarily disagree, but it's easy to build small mechanical devices that react to being touched, so that alone doesn't imply self-awareness. As you go to smaller and smaller organisms, they start to more closely resemble actual mechanical(/chemical) devices.

• kulahan 2 hours ago

Consciousness maybe, but intelligence is a given. Amoebas can transfer memory and intelligence no problem simply by meeting and combining

• hatthew 5 hours ago

I love that their justification for this study is robots. I think science for the sake of learning is good and justification isn't always necessary. But it's so funny that we've moved beyond search and rescue as a justification for cool robots, to cool robots as a justification for studying octopi.

• alsobrsp 5 hours ago

We lost that with the decline of the corporate research labs. PARC, Bell Labs, Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory, and such are shadows of what they used to be if they are even still around. Those facilities used to look at long range ideas and we are still reaping the benefits. Most research now is product centric, looking maybe 2 years ahead. I blame the tax cuts of the 80s and 90s.

• Amorymeltzer 4 hours ago

Well, that and the faux-/manufactured outrage from US Congress. Things like Coburn's waste book were designed to lampoon and degrade seemingly silly or wasteful basic-science research from just a cursory overview of the title or cherry-picked facts. That's part of a larger agenda alongside cutting basic research for cuts-sake, but it means that everyone in science is searching for a justification for even the most meager of funding. Human biomedical health is a good target—if you can come up with any plausible link, your odds of funding are better (maybe)—and I suppose robots aren't a bad one either.

The NSF has a list of responses to various such things: <https://www.nsf.gov/about/congress/wastebooks>

• GuB-42 2 hours ago

These labs had one thing in common: they were funded by monopolies. Xerox with copy machines, Bell with the telephone, General Electric is also known for its monopolistic practices.

And you probably heard about these little things called LLMs, that's Google research, yup, another quasi-monopoly. And it wasn't product centric, in fact, Google turned out to be pretty bad at making a product out of their research, that's how OpenAI took over.

Monopolies are bad for consumers, but there is also some good. Because they make tons of money and don't have to worry about competitors, they can invest a lot into fundamental research with a long term perspective. A competitive industry rewards shorter term strategy, because companies can't afford to wait 20 years for the next big thing if their competitor takes over after 2 years with the next small thing.

• chris_va 4 hours ago

Amusing parallel: https://www.xkcd.com/2128/

• hatthew 12 minutes ago

Yeah that comic is what I thought of when I read the article, but then I realized the article's justification is an extra step beyond that

• Crunchified 5 hours ago

How octopuses squeeze through too small gaps

Obligatory click-bait title comment...

The article describes how octopuses get through holes in one of two ways, one for larger holes and one for smaller holes.

Spoiler: An octopus cannot get through a gap that is too small.

• bookofjoe 3 hours ago

I'm curious: Your comment implies that you find the title misleading.

What would you suggest instead?

• mrkstu 3 hours ago

I think adding ‘seemingly’ would cover the basis of violating the law of contradiction.

• Crunchified 3 hours ago

How about very small gaps instead of "too small gaps". Simple change to the title, but far more accurate and non-contradictory.

But would you still click on it?

• bookofjoe 3 hours ago

I like it! I'd still click on yours.

• badlibrarian 3 hours ago

"How octopuses squeeze through an opening far smaller than the body diameter" is boring, verbose, and a quote from the article.